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15Mar/1020

SugarSync’s Bitter Aftertaste

Update from 3/17/2010: noticed my blog post and has committed to resolving my issues. The jury is still out, because nothing has been resolved yet; however I am hopeful that this means a fix will be on the way. See the bottom of this post for more information.

I was very stoked about SugarSync when I found it originally. In fact, I'm still in love with the features, and the entire service looks great on paper and works great at first glance.

Since then, however, I have discovered that I spend more time managing my folders than I do actually using my synced files--and not by choice.

There are several areas in which has proven frustrating and I feel really needs to be changed/updated:

  • When it says "All files are backed up and in sync" this is not necessarily the case. Often you will find files from another machine are missing on the current one. The folder is "in sync" according to SugarSync but obviously not in reality. This is a false sense of security and leads me to the next point.
  • When files are not truly in sync (No matter whether it says they are or not), changing that file on any other system causes the file to be renamed, having text appended to the name (such as "From Work Laptop - 2"). SugarSync is trying to be smart here by not allowing you to overwrite a file that might not be in sync. What really happens, however, is you usually end up in a position where you have several revisions of a file with text appended to them, but the original file is nowhere to be found. Putting something where the original file was causes it to be renamed. And this all occurs silently with no notification to the user and no indication that the files they are saving are being saved under a different name.
  • Many times I will delete a folder (while SugarSync is running, and I can verify it was deleted in SugarSync as well), and the next day I realize that that folder has synced back down to all my machines again. The only way to avoid this is to permanently delete the folder, making the "Deleted Items" bin useless.
  • On one out of my two systems, every time I close SugarSync and re-open it (such as when rebooting), it acts like the first time I started it, making me log in and doing a full check of all of my sync folders again from scratch. This takes a large amount of time, and thus far SharpCast has not been able to resolve the issue for me. This is not nearly as bad as the above issues, however, and I do have faith that SC will be able to assist me with this one eventually.

But those first two points essentially make a sync service such as this unusable.

  • You have to make sure everything you have is backed up somewhere else, just in case SugarSync loses it or it disappears from your sync folder.
  • You'll often update a file only to find that you can't--it always gets saved with a new filename. The only solution is to go to My SugarSync in a web browser, rename or delete the original file, then rename the newest revision back to the original name.
  • I've even gone so far as to create an AutoHotKey script which searches all of my sync folders for files that have been automatically renamed and prints out a list of them each day that I have to go back and fix. This is usually at least 40 or 50 files per day that have this happen--sometimes it is far more. No matter how many it is, it's annoying and it's too much to ask your users to do to keep their files in sync.

At this point, I would almost be better off doing it all manually. I want to love SugarSync--I want to be able to trust SharpCast with my data. But they need to first prove to me they can do a better job than this.

I will of course continue to post updates as any of these issues get resolved or at least have progress made on them.

In the meantime--has anyone had any good experiences with other online syncing services? I like DropBox but can't make full use of it because of its limitation of only working within the My folder.

A quick scenario for you:  Today I started my laptop when I got to work. SugarSync made me log in again and re-scanned all of my folders. After that 30-40 minutes, when SugarSync said everything was in sync, I opened up SharpDevelop and worked on one of my synced projects. Everything went great, until I went to build my source code. SharpDevelop told me neither of the required solution files existed.

Sure enough, I checked the directory, and SugarSync deleted the Solution file from my local machine, and each one I saved was renamed, appended with a "(From Work Laptop - 2)" (or 3, 4, etc). I then noticed almost every class I was just working on had the same problem. 10 minutes later when I finished renaming everything on My SugarSync online, I tried to build again, and it started doing the same thing over again!

If they cannot fix this behavior, at least show a dialog asking the user whether to rename the file or overwrite, risking losing any changes made on other machines. This is getting very frustrating!

Update Information from 3/17/2010

Shortly after my blog posting, SharpCast responded indicating they read my post and want to help me resolve my issues. I sent them a full application log/audit, and they responded today with the following message:

"Hi Ben,

We are working with our Engineering department to find a solution to your problem. I will update you as soon as I can."

My fingers are crossed, and I'm just itching to put it through its paces once they indicate the problem should be resolved. I will be sure to update this post, or make another one, when we get further along with this issue.

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  • Jason

    I too am disappointed after forking out a hefty fee for sugar sync. It seems on first inspection they offer a load of great features, but the execution and navigation of these features is poor, and that's being kind. It seems their company seems to focus on being at the forefront of new innovation like being able to backup files by email (useless feature in my opinion), and other glittery features, but not put any focus on usability.

    For example, the photo feature where they claim you can upload all your photos to facebook, from your iphone/blackberry etc… sounds great (and it would be if it worked) but lack of IA thinking means its utterly useless. To take but one small example, there is no folder system for images (shock horror!) so you have to actually scroll through thousands of images if you want to do anything. Why not add such basic functionality?

    My summary – sugar sync is great if you are a low end user with a few files and impressed by sparkly things, if you want to use it for anything serious like me, I wouldn't bother.

    Still looking for a better alternative mind you. Any ideas?….

  • http://benmcclure.com/ Ben McClure

    SpiderOak seems to be a good alternative, so far. There are things I am not overly keen on–it's very resource-intensive, it's a bit slow to get everything scanned and synced upon opening the application, etc. But, it seems to be rock-solid and I am more comfortable trusting it with my data. Check out my more recent post for a comparison of SugarSync and SpiderOak.

  • http://benmcclure.com/ Ben McClure

    SpiderOak seems to be a good alternative, so far. There are things I am not overly keen on–it's very resource-intensive, it's a bit slow to get everything scanned and synced upon opening the application, etc. But, it seems to be rock-solid and I am more comfortable trusting it with my data. Check out my more recent post for a comparison of SugarSync and SpiderOak.

  • TTT

    I have been running the 30day free trial for about a week, BUT today I found a problem that if not fixed by SharpCast will cause me to stop the trial.

    I manually created a folder on my laptop that existed on my PC (Win 7). I then created a new sub-folder on the laptop (Win XP). I didn't intend sharing this folder from my laptop to PC, but did so by error as I was trying to get SugarSync setup. When I realised my error, I tried un-syncing the folder. SugarSync says it is not synced on both the laptop and PC, but the PC still shows the SugarSync circle on the folder icon. I then went to the on-line repository, and deleted the sub-folder and the top-level folder. SugarSync deleted the first sub-folder on the PC, and continues to delete it even if I do New > Folder, it is immediately deleted by SugarSync. Any clues, anyone?

  • Tamara

    Have you heard whether Sugarsync has resolved this issue? Thanks, Tamara

  • Guest

    I want to use SugarSync to move files back and forth from a laptop to a desktop. It does not seem well-suited to this task. With DropBox, the file always appeared in near real time. There is no apparent way to force a sync, so for my purposes, SugarSync is useless. My employer enforces NAC and endpoint control such that I can’t split tunnel from the VPN. Now that they also block DropBox I have to mail files back and forth like an idiot or incessantly swap out flash drives. Yet another example of productivity being unnecessarily impaired by security weenies who insist we change each of our ten passwords twenty times a year.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_STHNQXWDZCPX3ZTHR4KMCDQGGY WrightComputing

    You have some good points here. I manage the Sugarsync account for a client company and we have been relatively happy so far although have not delved too deeply and use the system as an online backup rather then the sync tool. I think I am going to have to check how its all working because this could cause real problems.

  • http://benmcclure.com/ Ben McClure

    Good idea–I’ve heard from several people that they have not had the same issues I’ve experienced, so I can’t say what the difference is in my case–but I have also heard from a lot of people who have had similar experiences.

    It looked like it was working fine until I investigated deeper and found the issues I’ve had with it. Best of luck to you in your investigation of it as well–I look forward to hearing if you have any issues, and if so if you find any way around them.

    Thanks for the comment!

  • http://benmcclure.com/ Ben McClure

    Tamara,

    I have not heard. I still have a SugarSync account, and will make a note to give it another try and see if it’s working any better so that I can post an update.

    Thanks!

  • http://benmcclure.com/ Ben McClure

    This is one of the issues I’ve had with SS as well. Every time I replaced a file, I had to go to my account online and verify that it had the new version of that file and that it was syncing properly to both machines, which often was not the case. It turned into more of a hassle than just copying my files back and forth, so I moved on to another sync tool and plan to check out SS again soon to see if it’s doing any better.

    When it works, it’s quite slick. It’s just too bad I couldn’t get it working properly :)

  • Ben

    Hm, but once you have selected your sync folders there should really be no need to touch the sugarsync software again. Just letting it run in the background works fine for me…

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  • http://benmcclure.com/ Ben McClure

    While that should be true, it didn’t work that way at all for me. There were problems upon problems, many inconsistencies between the folders on my computer and the folders on SugarSync’s server, countless syncing problems with valid files getting renamed without notification on one or the other computer… Some or all of these issues may have been fixed since my article, however–I have not tried SugarSync again in a while (been happy with SpiderOak for the most part).

    I may give it another shot soon, though.

    Thanks for the comment.

  • A User

    Thanks for your article. I am using sugarsync for work and I am not too happy with it. This morning sugarsync told my employer and I that our shared folders were ‘in sync’ when they were not. Two important files were actually ‘pending download’ (after two days!) from my laptop. Once we clicked on this on the file manager on my laptop, a window popped up saying that uploading was in progress.

    What then actually happened was that it replaced my file with the earlier file from his folder (yes, it actually OVERWROTE my saved and updated file with an earlier version, and all my changes were lost).

    Earlier that morning, when he had assumed that our folders were in sync (when they actually were not), he used an earlier version of my file (containing data that was no longer applicable) to send out information to recipients, thereby sending it to some who should not have received it. The issue wasted time and caused some embarrassment, and to my distress made it look at first as if I had not done my work thoroughly.  

  • http://benmcclure.com/ Ben McClure

    This is the exact reason that problems like you and I have had with SugarSync are not OK–even if they are related to growing pains, or if there are still bugs to be worked out, customers are paying for mission-critical data synchronization and SugarSync does not seem to be able to deliver that at the moment.

    I really like the SugarSync plans, their desktop and web interface, and a lot of other things about them, but they’re all for naught if SugarSync can’t properly make sure that files are in sync.

    Thanks for the comment!

  • A User

    Agreed, emphatically! We’ve decided, after yesterday’s experience, that sugarsync is too risky. Based on your recommendation in other posts, we’ve signed up for spideroak and will hope for the best :)

  • http://benmcclure.com/ Ben McClure

    Great to hear. I have had a great experience with SpiderOak since becoming a customer, and am happy to have turned a few others toward them as well :)

    So far, SpiderOak has perhaps been a bit slower than other systems, but more importantly, in my experience if it tells me a folder is synchronized, it actually is. I’d be interested to hear your experience with it as well.

  • Marc F Gould

    Thank you for all your comments on SugarSync.  What do you think of DropBox?

  • Ricardorivaldo

    I got an entire folder that just “vanish” from my laptop. The web interface shows the folder, but no way to get it back. I have reset the configuration and try to download everything again, no lucky yet. But I HAVE A BACKUP, actually, I keep at least 2 backups, just in case. My conclusion: NOT READY FOR CRITICAL MISSION WORK. 

  • Disappointed

    Unfortunately there are a number of problems, it wont sync pst files or accounting files (MYOB, Quickbooks). It also doesn’t tell you what it didn’t backup, I suggest you start checking your web account as there may be other folders totally missing as well.

  • http://benmcclure.com/ Ben McClure

    I’m under the impression that it’ll sync PST and things like accounting files after they are unlocked (when the program using them is closed).

    I completely agree regarding it not telling you the things it didn’t back up, and just having a lot of missing files (or replaced files which return to the original) and other sync issues.

    I love the idea behind SugarSync, and the way in which it works in theory–it just doesn’t do an adequate job of ensuring data consistency in all cases.

    After several years of testing, I can safely say that I have found nothing which syncs half as well as Dropbox, even though its feature set is more limited than most other services. It’s caused me to gladly shell out the extra cash required for adequate Dropbox space, because it’s the only thing I’ve found that works quickly, and has never caused me any data consistency issues.

    Ben